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Tyrans had this tendency, Ozorne noted, to omit the proper titles of the people they were dealing with. They rarely showed proper deference; if anything, they tended towards defiance.

Stiff-necked, the lot of them. That's what you got, Ozorne supposed, when you overthrew your nobility and turned your country over to merchants - a whole race of people who forgot the proper order of things.

Young Arram had been no different, but with him the typical Tyran attitude was less arrogant defiance and more a bizarrely charming sort of cluelessness. Ozorne had been drawn to the boy immediately, and as Arram progressed rapidly towards mastery and beyond, Ozorne knew he'd been right to befriend him.

Ozorne always did have a natural knack for making useful friends.

But Ozorne was somewhat surprised one day, when he looked at his younger friend and realized that the distracted sixteen-year-old was quite handsome.

(In later years, there would be nothing between them but cold bitterness and hot anger. Arram would leave behind his name, his standing, his whole identity abandoned along with his lover, and would die thinking of Ozorne as nothing but a monster. Ozorne would die much sooner, in a body not his, killed by his determination to kill the girl who'd had the arrogance to take everything from him - his palace, his throne, his humanity, and his mage, and he would die with his heart broken, still fervently believing young Arram had betrayed him.)

(But things start somewhere, and betrayals require a relationship to break. Even monsters and traitors are capable of love.)

(Some would say love is a requirement, to be a monster or a traitor.)

(Some would say love itself is the heart betraying the mind.)

Here and now, Ozorne, entranced, gently traces Arram's cheekbone.

Arram looks up, startled, and smiles.

Date: 6 Feb 2011 04:42 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] elsceetaria
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It never ceases to surprise me how amazing your fic can be. This is wonderful.

Date: 6 Feb 2011 06:37 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] lotesse
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this is delicious. mmmm.

Date: 6 Feb 2011 11:05 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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Brrrr. Oh, I want to know more about what makes Ozorne tick.

Date: 9 Feb 2011 08:14 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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Kaddar doesn't really make sense to me, either--my best guess is that his mother managed to keep him fairly sheltered from the court (which would make sense--he's more likely to survive to take the throne if Ozorne doesn't notice him too much), and then he was mostly at the university. But.

I would not complain if you had epic Ozorne/Numair plotbunnies. :D

Date: 9 Feb 2011 11:39 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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Maybe Kaddar thinks he's paranoid, but he's really survived due to his mother's efforts and sheer good luck...and he will get eaten alive by the court after he becomes Emperor.

What was the lost camel chapter?

Date: 10 Feb 2011 02:14 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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So is it just me, or is it kind of hinky that in the Tortallverse Australia analogue, there are lots of cute duckmoles and whatnot, but no humans? Goodness knows WHERE Australia-analogue is, though, since Carthak apparently borders Antarctica.

(The "two-legger" thing got worse as TIQ progressed--initially, animals said "humans." And don't birds have two legs? YES, THEY DO. And Kidunka the world-snake gets called a "two-legger," which totally puzzles me--I assumed that he takes the form of a snake. I admit, I do like the hyenas and the darkings.)

"I'm Daine," she told the camel. "Perhaps you've heard the People talk about me."

LOL DAINE. Argh, I hate that all the animals chat with each other (in between eating/running away from each other, I guess?) and Daine just assumes they have all heard of her and loooove her.

IDK, though--camels can be cantankerous nasty beasts, but they can also be really sweet animals. It's just that they're really smart (like llamas and alpacas), so they will put up with less crap from humans.

"Why are there so many beggars, and poor folk? We don't have near this many in Corus--at least, I don't think we do."

BECAUSE TORTALL IS PERFECT.

Daine is even more annoying in that chapter than the rest of the book--kind of makes me wonder if the editor got her to tone Daine down.

"Nonsense. You're afraid to do anything to really offend him, and you won't do the things that would make the Carthakis prefer you to him--like feeding them, or getting rid of slavery."

Great political thinker, isn't she?

Date: 10 Feb 2011 05:04 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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*nodnod*

I like that the camels don't like her, but I also don't like the...stereotyping of camels? Anything as smart as a camel has more settings than "I HATE YOU ALL."

And yeah, her reaction is understandable, but it's also a ridiculous take on Kaddar's political situation, or Carthak in general (and the assumption that the Carthakis would automatically prefer a ruler who abolished slavery--well, that's only if slaves wildly outnumber free people, which is unlikely, or there's a very strong abolition movement, which I'm not so sure about).

If "northerners" don't like slavery, too, that makes "northerner" basically synonymous with "Tortallan," since the other countries of the Eastern Lands are all about slavery.

Date: 11 Feb 2011 05:02 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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It would be a different take from yours, but Lindhall could be an escaped thrall.

Date: 11 Feb 2011 06:55 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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Oh, for sure. I think it could be an interesting thing to explore, though.

Randomly, so does Tortall run on a feudal system or not? Because if so, all this "omg slavery sucks, Tortall is so much more awesome" is once more disappearing all the commoner serfs whose lives would not be very nice at all.

Yeeeeeah, well, I can't get a handle on Tortallan politics, you know that. Probably because they bounce back and forth between "this is medieval!" and "modern sensibilities!" Like, for example, the handling of treason. Half the time, it's the medieval concept of "punish the whole family; traitors come from bad stock" and the other half it's "Oh, but Maura/Lerant/whoever weren't directly involved, so it would be unfair to punish them for their relatives' actions."

I would have no problem with either attitude--Tortall isn't medieval Europe, and in many ways does have more modern sensibilities, and I think that's potentially interesting--but bouncing between them is bizarre.

Date: 11 Feb 2011 07:48 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] carmarthen
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Yeah--had the Malvens not disinherited Ralon pre-treason, that would have been one thing (although Dunlath should still have been punished), but...no.

*sigh*

I actually hope to address a LOT of this in the Filipa of GregoriƩ fic, but I need to reread Jane Yolen's Books of Great Alta first, and brush up on my Pompous Historian Style first. That is going to be the most meta fic that ever metaed.

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